From murtarij at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  1 14:43:24 2010
From: murtarij at yahoo.com (John Murtari)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:43:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Chalk/Walk update from Lyons,
	Chicago Rally Apr. 10  & Wife selling in England!
Message-ID: <434359.96972.qm@web111703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Good People & People of Faith,

This message has info on:

1. Chalk/Walk for Family Rights - Lyons update
2. Thoughts on protesting - Jack Frost
3. Rally in Chicago - April 10th
4. A Psalm for Holy Thursday & Good Friday - our thoughts also.
5. Wife's sold in 17th century England - now exposed!

[ NOTE: please send any message replies to this monitored addr:
jmurtari at AKidsRight.Org]

1. Chalk/Walk for Family Rights - Mar 31st, Lyons update
--------------------------------------------------------
Submitted by: John Murtari <jmurtari at AKidsRight.Org>

For full background and some pictures of the day's activities,
see http://www.AKidsRight.Org/family_rights/index.htm#current

I was joined by two other parents from the Albany area, Jack Frost &
Jeff. We first went to the local office of Assemblyman Robert Oaks and
spoke for about an hour with his aid.  She listened carefully to both
their stories and asked questions. It was a worthwhile visit.

After that we went to the Courthouse. The initial plan was to quietly
walk the sidewalk in front of the building; then Jack & Jeff would
leave the area and I'd resume chalk writing activities as before. In a
surprise, building security approached and said we could not walk on
that sidewalk -- we could only walk on the street sidewalk or the
police would be notified.

We did this for about 40 minutes (pictures at link above).  Jack &
Jeff then left the area and I started to walk in front of the building
(no chalk activity at all).  Security approach and told me I had to
leave or the Lyon's police would be called.

I was polite, but kept walking as the Lyon's police arrived and
entered the building.  A while later two Sheriff's vehicles also
arrived.  The Lyon's police then left with no action.  A while later a
Sergeant from the Sheriff's office told me they had "no problem with
me walking in front of the building," but they didn't want any more
chalk activity.  He then left.  I continued my walk for about another
30 minutes and then left at 5 pm.

---
It was great to have two other parents with me and I appreciate them
making a four hour drive to be there!  I look forward to the
day when I will have both a Man & Woman with me willing to take chalk,
risk arrest, and write "I LOVE MY KIDS" outside this building and
others. As today showed, once we learn to stand up for our rights and
our dignity -- other people will respect it also. But it starts with
us!

I've had to suspend my activity because I was just running out of
money to support myself.  I was living off savings since last October
when I started this effort and can't afford it any more -- but I plan
to resume by late July!  If you know anyone who needs web site
programming work done I'd welcome a referral.  My background at
http://www.thebook.net/john.murtari/resume_business.pdf


2. Thoughts on protesting - Jack Frost
--------------------------------------
[ Jack was one of the participants yesterday in Lyons.  He lives in
the Albany, NY area. This was his "first time" participating in a
public civil action and I asked him to share his thoughts - John]

Submitted by Jack Frost <fr33j6ck at yahoo.com>

My thoughts about protesting. Thank you for the education and
experience.  These tips and thoughts I think are helpful:

o Have a sign with pictures of kids and a simple and easy to read
message

o Hold the sign high so other people can read it.

o Generally do not make eye contact with people - you want them to see
you - look at you and read the sign. Your presence there speaks
volumes.

o Be friendly to any officer - they are only doing their jobs. You do
not necessarily need to follow their directions because you have a
right to protest peaceful however you may risk arrest.

o Talk to other protester(s) but only when people aren't nearby they
will be less likely to look at your signs and engage you if you are
having a conversation. Should generally be a "silent protest".

I was surprised at how easy it was. I could see how it could be very
therapeutic to any parent that has been "run over" by the system.  All
the guards looking out the window was a little intimidating but I
imagine their job is pretty boring so I guess one to has to put it
into perspective. I noticed after a while there wasn't so many looking
out anymore.. The layout of the court house certainly makes this
something that will be different in every location.

I can see the benefit of having more people there. More people means
power. Pictures and video if you can get someone there to document is
invaluable.

Jack


3. Rally in Chicago - April 10th
--------------------------------
Submitted by: Tony Taylor <tony.taylor at yahoo.com>

April 10, 2010 9:00 - Noon
Save Our Families Rally
Randolph and LaSalle
Downtown Chicago
(160 North LaSalle)

This is where the rubber meets the road Illinois is on the verge of
the next chapter in Family Law. Two years ago, State Legislation
established the Illinois Family Law Study Committee, whose job it is
to analyze family law within our State. If you have been before the
Family Court in our State, if you have lost substantial time with your
children, if you have lost custody of your children, if you have been
crippled by child support, if you lost a substantial portion of your
estate. This is the place to be. This is the time to be there. This is
where the rubber meets the road.

The Committee will be meeting during this time to discuss Custody
during domestic relations cases in family court. Special interest
groups hold significant sway over the committees decision and it is
important for the general public to let the committee know that an
ongoing, continuous and substantial relationship with both parents is
important.  

For More Info: http://www.illinoisfathers.org/ 
Contact (309) 696-7930


4. A Psalm for Holy Thursday & Good Friday - our thoughts also.
--------------------------------------------------------------
[ As we find ourselves separated from our children, caught in legal
machinery, seen dreams destroyed, and been doubted by our own friends
& families -- the words of the Psalmist, written over two thousand
years ago may sound familiar to us as we wonder... - John ]

Psalm 31: 10-17  
(The Psalms: A New Translation, 1963, The Grail, England)

Have mercy on me, O Lord,
for I am in distress.
Tears have wasted my eyes,
my throat and my heart

For my life is spent in sorrow
and my years with sighs.
Affliction has broken down my strength
and my bones waste away.

In the face of all my foes
I am a reproach,
an object of scorn to my neighbors
and of fear to my friends.

Those who see me in the street
run far away from me.
I am like a dead man, forgotten,
like a think thrown away.

I have heard the slander of the crowd,
fear is all around me,
as the plot together against me,
as they plan to take my life.

But as for me, I trust in you, Lord,
I say: "You are my God.
My life is in your hands, deliver me
from the hands of those who hate me.

Let your face shine on your servant.
Save me in your love."


5. Wife selling in 17th century England - now exposed!
-----------------------------------------------------
Talk about violating human rights.  This article was just linked from
the home page of Wikipedia today, April 1st -- who would have thought
it was possible!?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wife_selling


What is worth arrest? - THE DECLARATION OF FAMILY RIGHTS
-----------------------------------------------------------
You can also sign the petition at:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/3/the-declaration-of-family-rights

--                                                         
                                        John Murtari
_______________________________________________________
Coordinator                            AKidsRight.Org
jmurtari at AKidsRight.Org          Kid's Right to BOTH parents
(315) 944-0999(x-211)            http://www.AKidsRight.Org/


      

From jmurtari at AKidsRight.org  Sun Apr  4 12:58:31 2010
From: jmurtari at AKidsRight.org (John Murtari)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 12:58:31 -0400
Subject: Happy Easter! - thoughts from Dr. Martin Luther King
Message-ID: <19384.50487.777823.699035@torch.softwareworkshop.com>

Good People & People of Faith,


Happy Easter!  
------------ 
As I was preparing this message I saw the following CNN news
item. Today is the 42nd Anniversary of Dr. Martin Luther King's
assassination in 1968.  The writer discusses an earlier Easter Sermon
of Dr. King, who like anyone also had doubts about positive change.
It still has meaning as we struggle against bias and seek to regain
our fundamental rights as parents. Some real sacrifice may be
required...


[By Eddie S. Glaude, CNN, links at end] On April 27, 1957, Dr. King
delivered an Easter sermon titled, "Questions that Easter Answers." 
For him, Easter settled the mystery of death and secured for us the
importance of living a life in light of those forces that go beyond
our physical experience. We are not simply biological processes.

Instead, King argued, Easter cries out to us about the importance of
the unseen and of the personality, those "spiritual forces that are
eternal and not merely these material things that we look about and
see."

       "You know every now and then, my friends, I doubt every now and
       then, I get disturbed myself every now and then. I become
       bewildered about this thing. I begin to despair every now and
       then and wonder why it is that the forces of evil seem to reign
       supreme and the forces of goodness seem to be trampled
       over. 

       Every now and then I feel like asking God, 'Why is it that over
       so many centuries the forces of injustice have triumphed over
       the Negro and he has been forced to live under oppression and
       slavery and exploitation? Why is it, God?' " -- [Easter Sermon,
       page 7, link below]

... This view holds off the notion that life has no meaning or is
doomed to end in shipwreck. The fact that so many have lost their
jobs, their homes, their dreams in these difficult times confirms for
us that life carries with it a 'Good Friday' experience -- that
darkness and disappointment can be constant companions... 

For King, Easter teaches us that death does not have the last word;
that invisible forces are more real than the shadows that we currently
inhabit; and that the darkness of Good Friday may be necessary but
will eventually pass away.

Easter ultimately demonstrates that "love is the most powerful force
in the universe," said King. And this insight reaches beyond
Christians to all of us, no matter what we believe.

Here, love isn't some sentimental notion; instead, it involves risks,
daring and growth -- a surrender to that feature of human personality
that can cause us to sacrifice our lives in defense of it. Love
conquers cowardice. It shatters hubris and crushes the illusions of
death. It fortifies the soul amid the darkness of the hour; it calls
us to bear witness and to suffer, if necessary, the consequences.

The mindless chatter of today distracts us from the power of
love. Instead, we are mired in the sundry politics of Washington, or
we are content to spew venom at our opponents. Mean-spiritedness
carries the day. But Easter, if I understand King correctly, teaches
us to love and to witness the miracle of the resurrection before the
powers that be, no matter the consequences.

"It says to us," King preached, "that love is the most durable power
in the world" ...

... Too many Christians take comfort in the wrong-headed idea that all
is settled because Jesus rose from the dead. Martin Luther King, Jr's
death suggests otherwise. His was a life given in love and in devotion
to justice. Are we, Christian or not, as committed? To stopping war? 
To ending poverty? To fighting for the most vulnerable among us? Or,
are we content to rest in the illusion that salvation is guaranteed?

Our lives, if we are to be saved, must stand as a testament to that
legacy which, beyond our doing, is inescapable. Cowardice and
complicity must die in us. And we must rise again to "love" a new
world into existence.


http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/04/04/glaude.easter.mlk/   (Full article)
http://www.AKidsRight.Org/p_martin.htm   (More background)
http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/primarydocuments/Vol6/21Apr1957QuestionsThatEasterAnswers,SermonDeliveredatDexterAvenueBaptistChurch.pdf  (The full text of his sermon, good reading!)


What is worth arrest? - THE DECLARATION OF FAMILY RIGHTS
-----------------------------------------------------------
You can also sign the petition at:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/3/the-declaration-of-family-rights

--                                                         
                                        John Murtari
_______________________________________________________
Coordinator                            AKidsRight.Org
jmurtari at AKidsRight.Org          Kid's Right to BOTH parents
(315) 944-0999(x-211)            http://www.AKidsRight.Org/


From murtarij at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 13 11:42:51 2010
From: murtarij at yahoo.com (John Murtari)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:42:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Chicago Rally, the new F4J, Kate Gosselin,
	what you would say at hearings?
Message-ID: <444933.5317.qm@web111704.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Good People & People of Faith,

A lot of stories below from the last few weeks.  It's enough to make
your head spin!  It seems clear to me that before we can really make
progress on reform -- we need to work on establishing a firm consensus
on what we want and what principles guide us.  For our group:
http://www.AKidsRight.Org/approach.htm

If you were invited to legislative hearings on reform -- what would
you say in 250 words or less?  Send it in and I'll share your
responses in the next message!  My response at the bottom.

1. Chicago Rally - report & pictures.
2. Re-Launch of Fathers-4-Justice - go UK& CA! What about US?
3. Kate Gosselin - still a FIT & EQUAL parent.
4. Son files harassment against Mom - I have rights!!!?
5. Children Have Rights Too - what are they?
6. UK TV show/Videos of Family separations - gut wrenching.
7. Tennessee Lawmakers want to impose 50/50 split - awful!?
8. If they held hearings & I was invited - I'd say?


1. Chicago Rally - report & pictures
------------------------------------ 
[Interesting reports below.  If you want to be considered an EQUAL
parent, why ask for a minimum of 35% of the time with your kids? If
YOU say "Judges are destroying children" (very strong words) -- what
are YOU doing about it? Is carrying a sign enough? Your FEEDBACK
welcome. ]

Examiner.Com story from Teri Stoddard:
http://www.examiner.com/x-15873-Family-Rights-Examiner~y2010m4d10-Parents-with-passion-greet-Family-Law-Study-Committee

Photos/Story (http://www.IllinoisFathers.com/):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/illinoisfathers/sets/72157623826657314/

BLOG report/comment from Stuart Showalter:
http://bcchildadvocates.blogspot.com/2010/04/illinois-family-law-study-committee.html

From: "DENISE" godblessesme2003 at yahoo.com

When the Illinois Family Law Study Committee met in Chicago this
morning they were greeted by dozens of parents with signs and
banners. Mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles and grandparents hoped to
educate the committee on the suffering that current family law
causes. Participants in the Save Our Families Rally came from as far
away as Indiana and Wisconsin.

The Illinois House of Representatives created the Family Law Study
Committee of family law attorneys, lawmakers, judges and advocacy
leaders to create the next chapter of Illinois Family Law...

Illinois father Bill Sharp described how a family law judge revoked
his equal custody and gave the alienating parent sole custody after
she refused to cooperate with the court order. He reported that the
judge said, "The father should not be upset because this is how it
ends up in 90 per cent of the cases." Both of Sharp's children moved
out of their mother's and into Sharp's house on their 18th birthdays.

ILLINOIS FATHERS SUBMITTED RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COMMITTEE, INCLUDING
A MINIMUM OF 35% TIME SHARE WITH EACH PARENT. When asked if they think
they had an impact, one father said, "The conversation in the room
weighed heavily on our recommendations and they were taken seriously."

"We will no doubt have many more House and Senate committee meetings
to attend. The road to the next chapter in Family Law will be long and
arduous," said Mitchell, "But we are dedicated to being there."

"This nightmare has been going on for six years," JoAnn said, "We want
the kids to know that we never abandoned them." SHE ADDED, "JUDGES
DON'T REALIZE WHAT THEY'RE DOING - DESTROYING CHILDREN. THEY SHOULDN'T
BE DOING THIS."



2. Re-Launch of Fathers-4-Justice - go UK & CA! What about US?
--------------------------------------------------------------
When I think of F4J I think of Superheroes for Family Law reform,
wanting to be EQUAL parents to their kids.  I'm not even sure that is
their goal -- really couldn't tell from the web links below.  I'd
always hoped they would be more "Family" and not just "Fathers", but
they certainly have made their web site more inclusive...

There have been so many different rumors & reports in the past. I
honestly don't know what to believe. But Matt O'Connor, the original
founder is back and they are getting National news coverage.

http://www.fathers-4-justice.org/  (nice music, pictures, & words)
http://www.facebook.com/Fathers4Justice

Making progress in the UK elections, National newspaper report:
http://www.facebook.com/Fathers4Justice#!/photo.php?pid=5141180&id=404775273803

The most active group of Superheroes right now is in Canada.
http://www.f4jcanada.com/BCPages/F4JCanadaBCActionFiles.html

Probably the least active Superhero group is here in the United
States: http://www.f4j.us/ -- it appears the membership has rejected
participating in any potentially illegal stunts.  There are some
rallies/marches planned for 2010.

NOTE: I think each of these groups is functionally independent from
the others.



3. Kate Gosselin - still a FIT & EQUAL parent.
----------------------------------------------
It's always magnified when it happens on TV.  An article from People
magazine:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20360412,00.html

Now husband Jon wants "Primary" custody because Kate is an 'absent'
parent with all her TV work.  I've also heard she was willing to pose
for Playboy (they turned her down).

Just for discussion, assuming they were presumed EQUAL parents -- does
being absent (as long as the kids are taken care of during your time),
or even being in Playboy change that?

Many people have signed the Declaration of Family Rights (including me!),
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/3/the-declaration-of-family-rights

I think Kate is FIT & EQUAL. I do also support that Jon should be
EQUAL.  Your thoughts?



4. Son files harassment against Mom - I have rights!!!?
-------------------------------------------------------
Here is an interesting one from Arkadelphia, Arkansas -- I was amazed
to see the DA actually file charges against Mom. I'm sure he thought
it would be in the 'best interest' of the child?

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0410/723100.html

Who knew?  As a kid I always thought the purpose of my parents was to
harass me?!  Don't I have FREEDOM of religion?  Don't I have FREEDOM
of speech? Can't I have my own friends? They said no! Your thoughts?



5. Children Have Rights Too - what are they?
--------------------------------------------
[ I saw this on Facebook, went to the website and didn't know what
to make of it? Short of a criminal trial, with rules of evidence
and a tough standard of proof and a jury of your peers -- how do
you know anyone is abusive?]

    "If you are a NON-ABUSIVE PROTECTIVE PARENT who feels your child
    is the one who is suffering most of all and truly needs to be
    heard, please contact us today."

    http://www.ChildrenHaveRightsToo.com/about-us



6. UK TV show/videos of Family separations - gut wrenching.
--------------------------------------------------
[ This was tough to watch and brought tears to me eyes in the first
few moments.  Excellent quality.  Beautiful children going through a
disaster!  I'm not sure what it is about the British accents, but it
made it even more convincing & horrible...  It brought back the
memories... It was titled 'Who needs Fathers?'  I would have liked
'Who needs both Parents?' ]

From: "Brian Jones" <encoreprojex at yahoo.com>

> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37U-zA5NOHM
> 



7. Tennessee Lawmakers want to impose 50/50 split - awful!?
---------------------------------------------------------
[ The following was an interesting story.  I don't think the
ParentingNewsNetwork supports FIT & EQUAL parents and what a "spin"
they put on some legislation most of us would support. 

You may change your mind after reading this -- after all, who would
FORCE little children to spend more time with a parent they didn't
want to see?  Don't these little ones have RIGHTS?  Shouldn't WE (the
government) do what is BEST FOR THE CHILD? ]

http://parentingnewsnetwork.com/?p=774



8. If they held hearings & you were invited - you'd say?
--------------------------------------------------------
[ Here is mine in 250 words or less!  How about yours - send it in! ]

A child has a right to be with their parents, a parent has a right to
be with their child.  As one of our most important Civil rights -- it
should not depend on what State you live in or a local law. I am NOT
calling for MORE FEDERAL INTERFERENCE, but less. The recognition of
established constitutional protections to protect families. There
ought to be a "significant barrier" the system has to cross before
they can interfere with family life.

When a child is born, both biological parents have a right to
know. Fit parents decide what is in the 'best interests' of their
children. Good, average, & poor parents are Fit & Equal parents.

A child does NOT have a right to pick a preferred parent. A child does
NOT have a right to parents who always act in the child's best
interest.

Parents have a right to be presumed Fit & Equal (equal in terms of
both physical and legal custody).

If anyone (a spouse, relative, social services) wishes to challenge
these rights, parent's have:

1) The right to counsel.

2) The right to be presumed a fit parent, innocent, and deserving of
an equal relationship with your kids.

3) The right to protection of a criminal jury. The "state" needs to
prove you were a demonstrated serious and intentional threat to your
child's safety and that you acted with mal-intent towards your
children.


What is worth arrest? - THE DECLARATION OF FAMILY RIGHTS
-----------------------------------------------------------
You can also sign the petition at:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/3/the-declaration-of-family-rights

--                                                         
                                        John Murtari
_______________________________________________________
Coordinator                            AKidsRight.Org
jmurtari at AKidsRight.Org          Kid's Right to BOTH parents
(315) 944-0999(x-211)            http://www.AKidsRight.Org/


      

From murtarij at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 19 13:23:17 2010
From: murtarij at yahoo.com (John Murtari)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 10:23:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Mother's Day Rally & Events / TPR - the bonding test / Beat the
	system!
Message-ID: <816426.61107.qm@web111711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Good People & People of Faith,

This message has info on:

1. Pre-Mother's Day Rally - for Family Rights, May 7th.
2. Ever taken the "bonding test" - fear it!
3. Proven method to beat the system - abandon your kids?
4. Your FEEDBACK - what you'd say at legislative hearings.
5. What is worth arrest? - THE DECLARATION OF FAMILY RIGHTS


1. Pre-Mother's Day Rally - for Family Rights
---------------------------------------------
[ If any groups have any types of events planned for Mother's
Day, please let me know.  It helps if you complete the event
submission form at http://www.AKidsRight.Org/events.htm ]

May 7th, 1100-1500 EST,  Lyons, NY

We'd like to get a collection of Moms & Dads who support the
"Declaration of Family Rights"
(http://www.AKidsRight.Org/familyrights) to do three things:

1) Meet each other, exchange stories, have lunch together.

2) Personally visit NY Assemblyman Oak's local office to share
your stories and demonstrate your concern about Family Rights.

3) Participate in a brief silent picket outside the Courthouse
carrying pictures of your children.

Contact me, John Murtari <jmurtari at AKidsRight.Org>, if you think you
can attend. If we get a good count we will send out Press Releases to
local media to cover the event as a pre-Mother's Day activity! It
would be great to get some reporters and cameras there.

If you know any Superheroes, it would be nice to have one of them
present in costume...


2. Ever taken the "bonding test" - fear it!
-------------------------------------------
[ I was contacted by Anna Marie Jones <annamarie3380 at yahoo.com>.  She
is from California and wanted to become active in reform after seeing
how easy a TPR (Termination of Parental Rights) was.  Her story was
featured in RISE Magazine's Spring 2010 issue. ]

-----------------
http://www.risemagazine.org/PDF/Rise_issue_15.pdf

Those are (were) her two beautiful kids on the cover. Here are a few
excerpts from her story:


... Finally, the worker told me that CPS wanted to terminate my
parental rights.  "Why?" I asked. "I was told the goal was
reunification." My worker would only say, ?Your kids have been in care
too long. Your kids are at an adoptable age. This case has reached the
time limit."

In court, all my attorney did was agree with everything said. He also
told me not to say anything. So we both just sat there. I told him
that I wanted another public defender. He said, "Go ahead, find
yourself one."  But I didn't know how to do that.  During the
termination trial, the workers testified that, since my children had
been in care for two years, they needed a permanent home.  The judge
requested a bonding study to determine whether my children and I had a
bond. It was 20 minutes long and done by someone that my children and
I had never met before.

The lady who did the study took the stand and told the court that my
children and I didn't have a bond. I remember weeping. I couldn't
believe the court would allow such a thing...

As we got toward the end, my visits with my children became very
sad. We only saw each other two hours each month. My daughter started
to seem like a sick, depressed little girl. My son started to seem
like he was forgetting who I was.  At the end of each visit, Erica
would cry and cry. 

I remember that the young girl supervising our visits warned me that
if my daughter kept crying, our visits would stop. I felt awful
telling my daughter that she had to stop crying.  One day my daughter
told me, "Mom! The worker said they're going to adopt us and we're
never going to see you again!" Tears swelled up in my eyes. I told
Erica, "Don't listen to them."

At our last visit, I left my children with a children's Bible, gave
them a big hug, and told them, "I love you. Don't worry. God
will let us see each other again."
--------------------

Anna Marie did have some drug problems, but did she ever try to harm
her kids intentionally? No. But the officials involved just wanted to
"play it safe..."  You don't get justice, just processing -- and that
should never happen to the Family bond.

If a parent commits a crime, send them to jail, they are separated
from their kids (de facto) -- but when free, they are parents, unless
you are ready to prove they have intentionally tried to cause serious
harm to their children...


3. Proven method to beat the system - abandon your kids?
--------------------------------------------------------
[ I wanted to share what Ivor had to say.  It's not too much different
that I have heard from many parents, "I just told my kids I'm not their
parent any more due to Court order.  The Court is now in charge; don't blame
me for what happens in your future...." What do you think?]

From:  "Ivor Catt" <icatt at btinternet.com>

> I try to get excluded fathers to follow my strategy, which has always been 
> successful when it has been tried - which is only four or five times.
> It really involves giving up trying a.s.a.p. "Trying" supplies funding to a 
> destructive system and validates that system.
> My successful strategy is ignored by excluded fathers. It is at 
> http://www.ivorcatt.com/3003.htm and http://www.ivorcatt.com/2908.htm
> http://www.ivorcatt.com/3002.htm
> http://www.electromagnetism.demon.co.uk/EPIGR.htm

I started with the page,

http://www.electromagnetism.demon.co.uk/retreat01.htm

and went through your stuff.  I have some objections with the
following:

       "It validates his acceptance that he has no power whatsoever,
       and therefore no responsibility to his children or to his wife
       or ex-wife. He also has no responsibility for the proper
       functioning of the state, or for any involvement in the
       political process."

That just isn't a real statement and it is not true.  Probably one of
our strongest moral responsibilities is to our children -- and no law
or Judge's order relieves us of that.  It does make consequences more
severe -- but we have a moral duty to uphold our dignity as parents.

I have known parents who seemed to embrace your philosophy. They've
told me, "the Court said that I'm not a parent" -- so I'm just walking
away.  If my kid's approach me when they are older and ask why I lost
contact with them, I'll show them the Court paperwork that says I
wasn't a parent anymore." (or in your cause, I guess they would show
the Retreat Certificate).  It is a pitiable response to indignity.

There is a LOT of pain in being separated from your kids.  The idea of
"retreat" seems to offer a grieving parent a rationalization and
allows them to forget about their kids and quit trying to be an EQUAL
parent to them....

Your "retreat" provides the almost opposite approach from a more
action oriented response.  Take a look at the following article:

"Act with Honesty in Response to Indignity"

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2010/01/13/act-with-honesty-in-response-to-indignity/

Let me know what you think.


4. Your FEEDBACK - what you'd say at legislative hearings.
----------------------------------------------------------
Last list message we asked:

   "If you were invited to legislative hearings on reform -- what
   would you say in 250 words or less?"

You are welcome to send yours in!

---  bradshawphillip at yahoo.com

> Ban Quasi-Judicial Administrative Hearings and recognize rights of
> families to equal protection under the law.  Open court TPR
> proceedings to right of trial by jury and private recordings.
> Eliminate increased adoption incentive bonus vouchers.


--- beverlyreed2002 at yahoo.com

> Speaking purely as a mother, and thinking of what is in the best
> interest of my children on a daily basis, I personally am appalled
> at the behavior of the courts and our family court systems. I have
> been a single mother at one point, and been around other single
> mothers, and it made me sick to my stomach to listen to and watch
> some of their behaviors as well. 

> At no point has the child ever been what was the core important of
> either parent in a divorce. I literally had a woman ask me if I was
> crazy for not asking for Child Support, that if I didn't get it,
> he'd knock some other woman up and she'd get my money.

> I think that was the turning point for me about the viciousness of
> some people (men are not excluded from bad behaviors by any
> means). I couldn't even begin to think of how to express in 250
> words the need for reform. Starting with Child Support and how it
> add to an already hostile situation! I personally think it puts a
> price tag on my child's head, if he doesn't pay the mother is
> pissed, the child gets dragged into adult issues, and the child
> resents them all in the end for being bent over. 

> If I could have my one little voice heard, I would advocate TIME, I
> watched as I was putting in 90% of the time, and continue to with my
> eldest son. No amount of money could ever replace or compensate what
> I do, and I broke down a typical child support payment of $250 a
> month, which in my home would break down with all I put into my son
> as less than $2 a day with all he has, and would break down even
> further when he start high school soon since all extra curricular
> activities cost us parents out of pocket (in a public school, they
> charge for wood shop, metal shop, art classes, and the whole
> spectrum). I found what costs even more than the all mighty dollar
> is TIME!
  
> The reason I can never exclude men from having equally bad behavior
> as women is because not all have noble/just reasoning behind their
> actions any more than the gold diggers I've come across.
  
> Unfortunately I was 16 when I got pregnant, 17 when I had my first
> son (his father was 17 than 18 when he was born)... he just didn't
> happen to be one of the good men like my husband of the past 12
> years. Thankfully I don't have a lot of bitterness and can see
> beyond myself to know what is best for the child involved. However
> if I were to go through a divorce, this time my husband would get
> the children, because he works 2 jobs, has the place they can
> live/support them, and he would obviously be a better choice over me
> a SAHM, with outdated work skills, and no way to
> feed/clothe/shelter/etc. (we talk openly and honestly, he's my best
> friend)... I haven't seen my eldest son's father since I had my
> almost 5 year old with my current husband


5. What is worth arrest? - THE DECLARATION OF FAMILY RIGHTS
-----------------------------------------------------------
You can view/sign the Declaration & Petition at:
http://www.ThePetitionSite.com/3/the-declaration-of-family-rights

--                                                         
                                        John Murtari
_______________________________________________________
Coordinator                            AKidsRight.Org
jmurtari at AKidsRight.Org          Kid's Right to BOTH parents
(315) 944-0999(x-211)            http://www.AKidsRight.Org/


      


From jmurtari at AKidsRight.org  Sat Apr 24 20:06:23 2010
From: jmurtari at AKidsRight.org (John Murtari)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:06:23 -0400
Subject: Parental Alienation Day (Apr 25) / Mother's Day Rally (May 7th)
Message-ID: <19411.34687.851138.23523@torch.softwareworkshop.com>

Good People & People of Faith,

This message has info on:

1. Parental Alienation Awareness Day - April 25
2. Mother's Day Rally - for Family Rights, May 7th.


1. Parental Alienation Awareness Day - April 25
-----------------------------------------------
To find info on events planned for tomorrow near you:
http://www.PAAwarenessDay.com/

News Story at Examiner.Com:
http://www.examiner.com/x-15873-Family-Rights-Examiner~y2010m4d24-Parental-Alienation-Day-the-holiday-of-heartbreak

ALSO two large Yahoo groups to help support you:  

ParentalAlienationSyndrome at yahoogroups.com
ParentsAgainstParentalAlienation at yahoogroups.com

Someone asked me, "How is Parental Alienation Awareness Day special to
you?"

    It is pretty well known that children will still love their
    parents even when living in an abusive/bizarre environment.  It's
    all they know and the natural bond between parent/child is that
    strong.

    The fact our Family Law system results in children who "hate" one
    of their parents is the greatest indictment I can imagine of this
    terrible system.

How to stop it?  Equality in time between parents.  Nothing to be
gained by spreading lies and the child sees and learns from both
parents, including their strengths & weaknesses.

Hopefully captured in the "Declaration of Family Rights,"
http://www.ThePetitionSite.com/3/the-declaration-of-family-rights



2. Mother's Day Rally - for Family Rights
---------------------------------------------
[ Haven't seen any announcements on other events planned for Mother's
Day. If you have anything planned please let me know.  It helps if you
complete the event submission form at
http://www.AKidsRight.Org/events.htm

We have a goal of two Moms and two Dads for the following Rally.]

May 7th (Friday before), 1100-1500 EST,  Lyons, NY

We'd like to get a collection of Moms & Dads who support the
"Declaration of Family Rights"
(http://www.AKidsRight.Org/familyrights) to do three things:

1) Meet each other, exchange stories, have lunch together.

2) Personally visit NY Assemblyman Oak's local office to share
your stories and demonstrate your concern about Family Rights.

3) Participate in a brief silent picket outside the Courthouse
carrying pictures of your children.

Contact me, John Murtari <jmurtari at AKidsRight.Org>, if you think you
can attend. If we get a good count we will send out Press Releases to
local media to cover the event as a pre-Mother's Day activity! It
would be great to get some reporters and cameras there.

If you know any Superheroes, it would be nice to have one of them
present in costume...




--                                                         
                                        John Murtari
_______________________________________________________
Coordinator                            AKidsRight.Org
jmurtari at AKidsRight.Org          Kid's Right to BOTH parents
(315) 944-0999(x-211)            http://www.AKidsRight.Org/


-- 
                                       John Murtari
____________________________________________________________________
Coordinator                            AKidsRight.Org
jmurtari at AKidsRight.Org         A Kid's Right to BOTH parents"
(315) 944-0999(x-211)             http://www.AKidsRight.Org/